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A11Eur0 · Jan 31, 2009, 07:39 AM // 07:39

Then play by yourself or quit. That's what everyone else is doing. That or they play these gimmick builds. Or they do the unthinkable and actually find people who play the game the way they want to play it. Perish the thought that you actually work to find like-minded individuals rather than trying to force it on everyone else so you can not-pug some more.

tyla, you were IN a guild that did exactly that..but you never played. So why are you bitching?

warrior running · Jan 31, 2009, 07:59 AM // 07:59

Cop is fine but roj needs a nerf

Lourens · Jan 31, 2009, 08:31 AM // 08:31

I would like to see 10 sec Roj 60 Fire dmg per second and at the end all foes start burning for 5 seconds and for the cry of pain .. you need an illusion and domination hex to trigger the effect

Onyx Blindbow · Jan 31, 2009, 08:41 AM // 08:41

If you read through this thread then most of the people advocating that CoP stays the same like the idea of OP skills that allow them to decimate an area with no skill required at all it also happens to be (in the main) the very people that are doing nothing but SC areas in the game.

The sad thing is without these OP skills you will see areas depopulate again as these players simply fail running a balance or similar build in these areas, unless it is the mind numbing run of "perma got aggro" "hex call" "echo" "CoP" "CoP" then these people will simply give up on an area as "it takes too long" meaning it takes a bit of skill and takes longer than the 20-30 minutes that they can concentrate for

The really sad thing is that the majority of these elite SC players use consets in cryway to accomplish their elite speedclear too, which is just the ultimate fail imo.

Basically there should be 2 editions of GW, GW where these OP skills are nerfed and GW crayola edition with a big "I Win" button so players such as these can enter an area, press "I Win" everything dies and the big chest pops out and rewards them with (to steal a phrase) "Phat Lewt" as long as they receive shiny things for doing as little as possible then they are happy and surely in their mind a 1min SC makes them "leet"

I want CoP nerfed for 3 reasons,
1, as I said above GW is becoming stagnant and has absolutely no challenge left because of these skills
2, in the hope that people may learn to play their professions and that GW2 will not die because these do not have access to OP skills and shout from the rooftops how bad the games is as they can no longer SC (btw it isn't the game it is the fact you cannot play it)
3,that GW2 doesn't keep OP skills such as this and makes decent players stay away as it will just become a sham of a game.

joshuarodger · Jan 31, 2009, 08:51 AM // 08:51

cry of pain should keep the same functionality it has now but should be scaled to fastcasting much like seed and tntf scale to monk and paragon primaries. something like do 2..9 damage (based on sunspear rank) for each point of fast casting. this will make it very tough for a team of eles to use but keep mesmers viable.

Lourens · Jan 31, 2009, 09:02 AM // 09:02

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Originally Posted by Onyx Blindbow

If you read through this thread then most of the people advocating that CoP stays the same like the idea of OP skills that allow them to decimate an area with no skill required at all it also happens to be (in the main) the very people that are doing nothing but SC areas in the game.

The sad thing is without these OP skills you will see areas depopulate again as these players simply fail running a balance or similar build in these areas, unless it is the mind numbing run of "perma got aggro" "hex call" "echo" "CoP" "CoP" then these people will simply give up on an area as "it takes too long" meaning it takes a bit of skill and takes longer than the 20-30 minutes that they can concentrate for

The really sad thing is that the majority of these elite SC players use consets in cryway to accomplish their elite speedclear too, which is just the ultimate fail imo.

Basically there should be 2 editions of GW, GW where these OP skills are nerfed and GW crayola edition with a big "I Win" button so players such as these can enter an area, press "I Win" everything dies and the big chest pops out and rewards them with (to steal a phrase) "Phat Lewt" as long as they receive shiny things for doing as little as possible then they are happy and surely in their mind a 1min SC makes them "leet"

I want CoP nerfed for 3 reasons,
1, as I said above GW is becoming stagnant and has absolutely no challenge left because of these skills
2, in the hope that people may learn to play their professions and that GW2 will not die because these do not have access to OP skills and shout from the rooftops how bad the games is as they can no longer SC (btw it isn't the game it is the fact you cannot play it)
3,that GW2 doesn't keep OP skills such as this and makes decent players stay away as it will just become a sham of a game.

Make Cry a skill so it cant be echo'd with [arcane echo] and isnt affected by [glyph of renewal]

Dei Gracia · Jan 31, 2009, 09:12 AM // 09:12

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Originally Posted by Onyx Blindbow

If you read through this thread then most of the people advocating that CoP stays the same like the idea of OP skills that allow them to decimate an area with no skill required at all it also happens to be (in the main) the very people that are doing nothing but SC areas in the game.

The sad thing is without these OP skills you will see areas depopulate again as these players simply fail running a balance or similar build in these areas, unless it is the mind numbing run of "perma got aggro" "hex call" "echo" "CoP" "CoP" then these people will simply give up on an area as "it takes too long" meaning it takes a bit of skill and takes longer than the 20-30 minutes that they can concentrate for

The really sad thing is that the majority of these elite SC players use consets in cryway to accomplish their elite speedclear too, which is just the ultimate fail imo.

Basically there should be 2 editions of GW, GW where these OP skills are nerfed and GW crayola edition with a big "I Win" button so players such as these can enter an area, press "I Win" everything dies and the big chest pops out and rewards them with (to steal a phrase) "Phat Lewt" as long as they receive shiny things for doing as little as possible then they are happy and surely in their mind a 1min SC makes them "leet"

I want CoP nerfed for 3 reasons,
1, as I said above GW is becoming stagnant and has absolutely no challenge left because of these skills
2, in the hope that people may learn to play their professions and that GW2 will not die because these do not have access to OP skills and shout from the rooftops how bad the games is as they can no longer SC (btw it isn't the game it is the fact you cannot play it)
3,that GW2 doesn't keep OP skills such as this and makes decent players stay away as it will just become a sham of a game.

Maybe people don't have enough time to do those Elite Areas either, and if GW has no challenge left just quit and stop ruining the fun for people like me who enjoy to be able to do things the fastest and best way possible, it doesn't make any sense not to do so otherwise IMO. I mean i switch it up and go physical way etc and still have fun, but when I have time... I have school, a GF, friends, and other stuff that comes before video games But i enjoy to be able to get things done fast and simple. Your in my alliance so this isnt meant to QQ in any way im just saying we don't have to ruin the fun for everyone.

Horus · Jan 31, 2009, 09:40 AM // 09:40

*sigh*

from AC to guru, back to AC and here on guru we are again... *some may know what i'm talking about*

Dei Gracia · Jan 31, 2009, 10:13 AM // 10:13

not rly i have AC off 24/7 to avoid QQ about stuff like this. That and Physical/Cryway Battles XD

Lourens · Jan 31, 2009, 10:17 AM // 10:17

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Originally Posted by Dei Gracia

not rly i have AC off 24/7 to avoid QQ about stuff like this. That and Physical/Cryway Battles XD

This is going off topic.

Anyhow Cry of pain should be if target foe is suffering from a mesmer hex that foe and all foes in area take 30-50 dmg and have a deep wound for 5-15 seconds

Onyx Blindbow · Jan 31, 2009, 10:28 AM // 10:28

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Originally Posted by Dei Gracia

Maybe people don't have enough time to do those Elite Areas either, and if GW has no challenge left just quit and stop ruining the fun for people like me who enjoy to be able to do things the fastest and best way possible, it doesn't make any sense not to do so otherwise IMO. I mean i switch it up and go physical way etc and still have fun, but when I have time... I have school, a GF, friends, and other stuff that comes before video games But i enjoy to be able to get things done fast and simple. Your in my alliance so this isnt meant to QQ in any way im just saying we don't have to ruin the fun for everyone.

all that does is simply prove my point

so you enjoy pressing the OP button and completing an area... you think that is fun? wow maybe you like to play tetris with just square blocks too?

Yes I am part of the Alliance but it doesn't alter my perception that OP skills kill the game, they dumb it down to idiot levels that means once the nerf hits people have lost the ability to make a balanced team and run it and because it takes longer than 30 minutes then people no longer play the area
people lose interest because they are used to the EASY way, there is absolutely no accomplishment to cryway through any area as it takes no skill.

the only reason for people running cryway is that it is simple and allows you to repeatedly farm an area over and over in the hope that you get the shiny from the chest, there is no other reason for it.

The game used to be about completing areas as a party and a sense of actually accomplishing something, atm it is about how fast you can clear an area using OP bar, Conset and perma runners where possible... yet for some this is an acheivement... sad how things have changed

Lourens · Jan 31, 2009, 10:31 AM // 10:31

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Originally Posted by Onyx Blindbow

all that does is simply prove my point

so you enjoy pressing the OP button and completing an area... you think that is fun? wow maybe you like to play tetris with just square blocks too?

Yes I am part of the Alliance but it doesn't alter my perception that OP skills kill the game, they dumb it down to idiot levels that means once the nerf hits people have lost the ability to make a balanced team and run it and because it takes longer than 30 minutes then people no longer play the area
people lose interest because they are used to the EASY way, there is absolutely no accomplishment to cryway through any area as it takes no skill.

the only reason for people running cryway is that it is simple and allows you to repeatedly farm an area over and over in the hope that you get the shiny from the chest, there is no other reason for it.

The game used to be about completing areas as a party and a sense of actually accomplishing something, atm it is about how fast you can clear an area using OP bar, Conset and perma runners where possible... yet for some this is an acheivement... sad how things have changed

All hail DOA without pve skills

Horus · Jan 31, 2009, 10:34 AM // 10:34

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Originally Posted by Lourens

All hail DOA without pve skills

sorry, but not all pve only skills are as overpowered as CoP, you miss the point here.

Lourens · Jan 31, 2009, 10:39 AM // 10:39

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Originally Posted by guardian of dragon temple

sorry, but not all pve only skills are as overpowered as CoP, you miss the point here.

What i was trying to say Old fashioned way is fun.
With a Bonder a tank and some Nukers

Tyla · Jan 31, 2009, 11:20 AM // 11:20

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Then play by yourself or quit. That's what everyone else is doing. That or they play these gimmick builds. Or they do the unthinkable and actually find people who play the game the way they want to play it. Perish the thought that you actually work to find like-minded individuals rather than trying to force it on everyone else so you can not-pug some more.

tyla, you were IN a guild that did exactly that..but you never played. So why are you bitching?

Play by yourself or quit? This is an online game giving the choice of play with people or AI.

I were in a guild that did what I wished to do? Yeah, but I wasn't really that interested in PvE. Ironic, I know. Whether or not I was in a guild that abused physicals or cryway, I'm still arguing against it because I know this shit is just stupid. Believe it or not, I'd like to see most if not all options balanced with each other at a level where they don't complete HM "elite" areas within 2 minutes.

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Originally Posted by BenC

Lol. Go and play some gws and quit QQing.

Go play some Guild Wars and quit contributing shit.

Lourens · Jan 31, 2009, 11:24 AM // 11:24

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Play by yourself or quit? This is an online game giving the choice of play with people or AI.

I were in a guild that did what I wished to do? Yeah, but I wasn't really that interested in PvE. Ironic, I know. Whether or not I was in a guild that abused physicals or cryway, I'm still arguing against it because I know this shit is just stupid. Believe it or not, I'd like to see most if not all options balanced with each other at a level where they don't complete HM "elite" areas within 2 minutes.

I Completely Agree with You Tyla.
Cryway is worse and way more overpowered then Ursanway.
Cryway isnt role playing anymore if you ask me.
Well going out with 2 Monks and 6 Tamed bears is.

Improvavel · Jan 31, 2009, 11:32 AM // 11:32

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Believe it or not, I'd like to see most if not all options balanced with each other at a level where they don't complete HM "elite" areas within 2 minutes.

On the other hand you don't have to complete them within 2 minutes.

People do that because they want to compete with other people - they want to have rarer weapons, the expensive armors, want to be able to brag about doing XXX place in XXX minutes.

This is a game. You get your private copy of it. What another person is doing, unless he is cheating/abusing other people is irrelevant.

Elite areas are Elite, because they require especial strategies to defeat! They aren't Elite because only a few can do them!

Elite areas aren't here to rank players - "That guy can do Urgoz", "That guy can do all areas", "that guy cant do any". That isn't what elite areas are about.

So people want to nerf skills to prevent people from doing that IS PLAIN STUPID.

Lourens · Jan 31, 2009, 11:41 AM // 11:41

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Originally Posted by Improvavel

On the other hand you don't have to complete them within 2 minutes.

People do that because they want to compete with other people - they want to have rarer weapons, the expensive armors, want to be able to brag about doing XXX place in XXX minutes.

This is a game. You get your private copy of it. What another person is doing, unless he is cheating/abusing other people is irrelevant.

Elite areas are Elite, because they require especial strategies to defeat! They aren't Elite because only a few can do them!

Elite areas aren't here to rank players - "That guy can do Urgoz", "That guy can do all areas", "that guy cant do any". That isn't what elite areas are about.

So people want to nerf skills to prevent people from doing that IS PLAIN STUPID.

Not exactly,

Poeple who dont use PvE skills complete the areas slower cause they dont want to grind for those titles and therefore have less money.
Its pretty annoying if you "farmed uw non pve skillway" for 4 months and you see a guy bragging he got FoW in 3 days cause he was doing non stop Cryway.
Its bad for the ingame economy as well cause prices of rares are falling apart.
Supply = High > Price = Low

Tyla · Jan 31, 2009, 11:52 AM // 11:52

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Originally Posted by Improvavel

On the other hand you don't have to complete them within 2 minutes.

You don't have to... but why not do it?

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People do that because they want to compete with other people - they want to have rarer weapons, the expensive armors, want to be able to brag about doing XXX place in XXX minutes.

You can do that without Cryway, without physicals being buffed beyond sanity, without speedclear.

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This is a game. You get your private copy of it. What another person is doing, unless he is cheating/abusing other people is irrelevant.

If it's a private copy, why is it changing for me? Why is it changing for everyone elses private copy? Why not ask for a change to it?

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Elite areas are Elite, because they require especial strategies to defeat! They aren't Elite because only a few can do them!

You mean you need to put X skill on Y character or you can't complete it at all?

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Elite areas aren't here to rank players - "That guy can do Urgoz", "That guy can do all areas", "that guy cant do any". That isn't what elite areas are about.

They're not there to rank players, but for players of a higher skill level.

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So people want to nerf skills to prevent people from doing that IS PLAIN STUPID.

So wait, doing this will prevent people from doing that? I personally don't like several Cryway guilds because of their attitude and approach to thing, and vice versa. I somehow doubt that with what they've posted that they can't figure out some other way to abuse the game using the same tactics unless aggro management has somehow dissapeared.

Improvavel · Jan 31, 2009, 11:54 AM // 11:54

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Originally Posted by Lourens

Not exactly,

Poeple who dont use PvE skills complete the areas slower cause they dont want to grind for those titles and therefore have less money.
Its pretty annoying if you "farmed uw non pve skillway" for 4 months and you see a guy bragging he got FoW in 3 days cause he was doing non stop Cryway.
Its bad for the ingame economy as well cause prices of rares are falling apart.
Supply = High > Price = Low

I don't care what the price is. What you do, sell or buy is irrelevant.

I don't need to buy or sell anything to other players.

If every other player disappeared but my girl, I would play the game the same way.

Grinding is bad, in that you are right, though.